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Unread postby KlausNW » Sun Mar 25, 2012 2:04 pm

Grumman G-111 Albatross takes the slow boat to Australia, makes the Sunday news. :)

CBS 12 news - A rare plane making a pit-stop at the Port of Palm Beach

Riviera Beach, FL -- A rare 30 passenger Sea plane landed at the Port of Palm Beach early Sunday morning and was loaded onto a cargo vessel ... destination Australia.

The Proven G-111, is only one of three ever built.

The Owner, pilot and cargo handlers of Sevenstar Yacht Transport of Amsterdam were in town for the landing and upload.

Organizers say it was built in California, flew to North County Airport in West Palm Beach and then made it's way to the Lake Worth Inlet to be loaded onto the ship for transport.

The G-111 is an amphibious workhorse. According to a pamphlet from the maker of the aircraft, it states "nothing in the world matches the G-111 for utility or dependability. It's one of a kind."

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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby 9aplus » Mon Mar 26, 2012 9:32 am

Only 3, come on :-)

Heading Europe, fact?
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:44 am

Officially speaking, 13 examples of the model G-111 were built according to FAA Type Certificate No. A22SO.

Based on the paint scheme, I believe that the Albatross in the photo above is N98TP, Grumman HU-16B s/n 51-7186 (it is actually Grumman c/n G-243 and it was improper for it to be registered with the FAA using its former USAF serial number according to various FAA Advisory Circulars pertaining to the civil registration of former military aircraft.*)

More importantly, it is NOT a G-111.

There is more relevant info listed here: http://www.seaplaneforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=486

*Note: AC 21-12b "Application for U.S. Airworthiness Certificate, FAA Form 8130-6" for example.
Reference Paragraph 6 "Instructions for completing Form 8130-6",
subparagraph a. "Section 1. Aircraft Description",
subsection (5) "Aircraft Serial Number",
item (c): "For surplus military aircraft, enter the manufacturer’s civil serial number. The military serial number should be placed in parentheses following the civil serial number. If no civil serial number exists, enter the military serial number."

Civil serial numbers do exist for all Grumman Albatross aircraft even though the model G-64 was never "civilian" certified by the FAA. Those civil serial numbers are all "G" series numbers (G-1 through G-464) just like the later Gooses were all "B" series numbers (B-1 through B-145) and all Mallards were "J" series numbers (J-1 through J-59*) (*IIRC)
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:50 am

Instead of having to dig down through that other entire thread, here is a reprint of the relevant info on the model G-111 (Note also that while ex-USAF serial number 51-7168 is listed as a model G-111, ex-USAF serial nuumber 51-7186 - i.e. N98TP - is not listed as a model G-111):

geodoc wrote:Remember the G-111 is an FAR part 21 aircraft and HU-16 military surplus parts are probably not eligible for installation on it. How many G-111's got certified anyway under Part 21? How many are presently in airworthy condition? How about maintaining a pair of Wright R-1820's in Europe to commercial requirements? My AD search subscription does not even list the certificate holder or the G-111. Where do you fine AD's for a G-111?

I assume you meant "where do you find AD's for a G-111?"

Since there are none listed in the FAA online database, it may be that there aren't any. Maybe there should be some, I don't know, but that's what happens when a TC Holder does not live up to his responsibilities under FAR 21.3. The TC (A22SO) also just recently changed hands...well, almost a year and a half ago.

In answer to some of your questions, Grumman built 13 examples and all are still registered, but most have been in storage at Marana, AZ for years. Most have also recently been bought up by Marsh Aviation of Mesa, AZ. I'm guessing that they have a new turbine conversion fire bomber project in the works - and it's strange to me that they neglected to snatch up N42MY and Billabong's N121FB. N42MY was the very last Albatross that Grumman built (actually as a model UF-2) and its advertised price was recently dropped from $995,000 to only $795,000. Might be that there's some corrosion issues with it. It has been operated in South Florida for quite a while now; I think it went to Mirabella Yachts from Paragon Ranch in Colorado (when it was N26PR) in the early to mid-1990's.

Here is some pertinent and interesting info from the TC:

Type Certificate Holder:
Amphibian Aircraft International, Inc.
c/o Dunlap, Grubb & Weaver, PLLC
199 Liberty Street, SW
Leesburg, Virginia 20175

Type Certificate Holder of Record Flying Boat, Inc. transferred (i.e. sold) the type certificate to Amphibian Aircraft International, Inc. on July 1, 2010.

Serial Numbers Eligible:

Under Production Certificate No. 23:
148325
148327
148328*
148329

Under Production Certificate No. 1050:
51-7243
51-7244
51-7249
51-7168
137901
141282
148326
9304
9308

*Life-limited to 8,900 “flight” hours because it retained its original 7075-T6 wing center section spar caps. See NOTE 3.
Now, my question is, did they literally mean “flight time” or should it have been Time in Service? Usually pilots are concerned with logging flight time and aircraft maintenance is governed by TIS.

In any case, that’s a total of 13 aircraft that were converted and re-certified.

Certification Basis:

FAR 21.27, effective February 1, 1965; CAR 4b, effective December 31, 1953, including amendments 1 and 2; FAR 36, effective December 1, 1969, including amendments 1 through 3; and most importantly FAR 25.2 for Transport category operations.

Although it is no longer noted on the current revision to the TC (rev. 7), older versions of the TC (such as rev. 5, dated April 15, 1984) contained the following additional information:

Production Basis:
Production Certificate Number 23 issued to Grumman Aerospace Corp, Stuart, Florida, under licensing agreement, dated 9 March 1978.

Production Certificate Number 1050 issued to Grumman St. Augustine Corp, St. Augustine, Florida, under licensing agreement dated 22 December 1981.

The other thing that is f#$ked up about this TC is that the aircraft were all identified by their former military serial numbers (a mix of USAF, USN, and USCG serial numbers) which actually changed over time as the aircraft were transferred from one branch of the service to another. They were not (and probably should have been) identified by either their original and theoretically “constant” Grumman serial or "construction" numbers - or better yet, since they were officially rebuilt and re-certified under FAR 25, with completely new serial numbers unique to the G-111 series.

Serial No. / Built for/model/service serial no. / Grumman c/n / Registration
148325 / USN UF-2 (148325) contract for JMSDF (9052) / G-460 / N116FB
148327 / USN UF-2 (148327) contract for JMSDF (9054) / G-462 / N115FB*
148328 / USN UF-2 (148328) contract for JMSDF (9055) / G-463 / N112FB
148329 / USN UF-2 (148329) contract for JMSDF (9056) / G-464 / N42MY
51-7243 / USAF SA-16B / USCG HU-16E (7243) / G-331 / N120FB
51-7244 / USAF SA-16B / USCG HU-16E (7244) / G-332 / N113FB*
51-7249 / USAF SA-16B / USCG HU-16E (7249) / G-339 / N121FB
51-7168 / USAF SA-16B / USCG HU-16E* / G-218 / N122FB*
137901 / USN UF-1 (137901) / G-374 / N51ZD
141282 / USN UF-1 (141282) / USCG HU-16E* / G-432 / N125FB*
148326 / USN UF-2 (148326) contract for JMSDF (9053) / G-461 / N117FB*
9304 / RCAF CSR-110 (9304) / G-452 / N118FB
9308 / RCAF CSR-110 (9308) / G-456 / N119FB

*These aircraft are currently (but incorrectly) registered as Grumman models “HU-16E” – as a result of which, it may be that they each did in fact do service for the USCG as such models. In any case, according to FAA TC A22SO, they are correctly identified only as Grumman models G-111.
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:55 am

Note as well that the news report that "Organizers say that it was built in California" is also incorrect.

All Grumman G-64/SA-16/HU-16/UF-1 and UF-2 series Albatross aircraft were manufactured by Grumman at their Bethpage (Long Island, NY) factory.

All of the model G-111 aircraft were converted/rebuilt at either Grumman's St. Augustine, FL or Stuart, FL facilities.
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Tim McCormack » Mon Mar 26, 2012 12:02 pm

WOW!!! :shock: ;)
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby jreichle » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:14 pm

Rajay wrote:Based on the paint scheme, I believe that the Albatross in the photo above is N98TP, Grumman HU-16B s/n 51-7186 (it is actually Grumman c/n G-243 and it was improper for it to be registered with the FAA using its former USAF serial number according to various FAA Advisory Circulars pertaining to the civil registration of former military aircraft.*)

More importantly, it is NOT a G-111.



If you carefully look for the registration this seems not to be N98TP (registration in white letters on the rudder) but in fact N42MY in a duplicated paint scheme…
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby L-19 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:52 pm

Well ya, the registration is painted right there... But why bring facts into it? :)
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:55 pm

Even blown up to 200%, it's still hard to read the N-number on that photo, but it does look like it could be N42MY (which is in blue on a white background, whereas on N98TP, it is white on a blue part of the vertical stabilizer.) Good catch! I wasn't aware that N42MY had been repainted - and in a scheme that seems almost exactly like the one on N98TP. It used to be mostly white with two parallel medium blue stripes down the side and which "swooped" up the tail. Before that, when it was N26PR in Colorado, it was pure white overall.
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Pilotjpw1 » Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:47 pm

Sad to see it leaving the USA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:29 pm

"The Owner, pilot and cargo handlers of Sevenstar Yacht Transport of Amsterdam..."

I assume that by that the author of the news article actually meant 3+ separate people:

1) The owner
2) The pilot
3) Cargo handlers of Sevenstar Yacht Transport of Amsterdam

and not necessarily as I first read it that Sevenstar Yacht Transport of Amsterdam was the actual new owner.

So, having re-read it and having now taken something else away from it, I am curious about who the new owner actually is and what "he" is going to do with it in Australia. In the meanitme, it is still registered in the US to "BANK OF UTAH TRUSTEE"
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby jreichle » Wed Apr 25, 2012 5:58 pm

Having it registered to a trustee makes sense if the new owner is not a US citizen. Searching the internet I fond Mack McCormack as the new operator in Australia:

http://www.theherald.com.au/news/local/news/general/biggest-sea-plane-drops-in-for-a-visit/2529201.aspx

http://au.news.yahoo.com/thewest/a/-/latest/12918523/adventure-tourism-heads-for-a-big-splash/

There are also some clips on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V76-ofUzV3o
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:24 pm

Funny thing - the Albatross in the photo in the first story (the http://www.theherald.com.au link) is actually N98TP and not N42MY. You can see the white registration number through the spray around the tail. Also, I believe that N42MY still has a white radome and not the clear observation bubble that was used to replace it on N98TP.

His business plan doesn't sound all that sophisticated, but I wish him the best of luck. (He might need it!)
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby scottmandu » Thu May 10, 2012 3:09 pm

On another note,

51-7243 / USAF SA-16B / USCG HU-16E (7243) / G-331 / N120FB

Was destroyed when an engine failed on takeoff a couple years ago.

http://www.kwsalvage.com/detail.asp?ID=WBC-AV-092103
http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9780&view=previous
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Fri Aug 31, 2012 7:54 pm

scottmandu wrote:On another note,

51-7243 / USAF SA-16B / USCG HU-16E (7243) / G-331 / N120FB

Was destroyed when an engine failed on takeoff a couple years ago.

http://www.kwsalvage.com/detail.asp?ID=WBC-AV-092103
http://discussions.flightaware.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=9780&view=previous

Officially-speaking, N120FB was actually a "G-111" just in case that much was not clear here. As such, it is only an "ex-" USAF SA-16A (it was never actually a "B" model at all) that was transferred to the US Coast Guard before its long-wing conversion from a UF-1G to a UF-2G and it officially became an HU-16E only after 1962 - but after 1983 or so, it was officially identified only as a Grumman model G-111.

According to my notes, it was actually the 20th long-wing Albatross conversion for the Coast Guard, technically making it at the time (i.e. only prior to its subsequent "G-111" conversion under TC A22SO) a Grumman "model" / design no. G-234 and it was upgraded / converted under Job no. 728 (as were all USCG UF-2G/HU-16E aircraft) and Project no. 20C (i.e. once again the 20th long-wing conversion for the USCG.)

And although I first caught this post way back in May when it was originally posted, I only just now read your intro post in the new members section:

scottmandu wrote:Hey guys new member here. The family Hu16 brought me here. Great forum thus far. Happy flying.

So, PLEASE, tell me more about this "family Hu16"!!!! That definitely sounds like something we should be talking more about!
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Hank » Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:56 am

I saw another YouTube video of this, made by the newspeople in Australia a few months ago, it was definelty N42MY, I was surprised because I recognized the n-number and didn't know it finally sold. Also if you saw the pics of it being lifted out of the water at the Port, all the G-111 had the main door modified to open outward, I think it was a reg that required it to be changed from inward opening.
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Wormboy » Tue Mar 26, 2013 8:36 pm

Hi all,

I came across this thread while searching for the rego number for an albatross I saw flying by the other day, N42MY.

Since she seems to hold a bit of interest i thought I'd post up a pic and let you all know shes still flying and looking great in her new livery. This photo was taken off Geraldton, Western Australia in Feb this year.

As it turns out I also saw her at an airshow hosted in Perth last year.
There are some more pics of her on this site if you scroll down a bit.
http://www.aviationwa.org.au/EventPhotos_Calendar/RAAF_Pearce_Air_Show_19-20May2012_PHOTOS_2.html

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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby kevinsky18 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:15 am

The write up is very interesting and the photos are very sharp. Definately worth the read. Interesting to note that she even did a stint here in Indonesia.
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby CFII » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:14 am

Great photos and airshow from down under, thanks!
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Thu Mar 28, 2013 12:53 pm

kevinsky18 wrote:The write up is very interesting and the photos are very sharp. Definately worth the read. Interesting to note that she even did a stint here in Indonesia.

AAARRRGGGHHH!!!

The Seaplaneforum.com site seems to have crashed just as I tried to “preview” a somewhat long and involved post regarding the history of this aircraft in particular – Grumman G-111 N42MY. (My browser continued to work properly on other sites the whole time!)

Now I have to try to recreate it all from memory (and existing notes of course.) And it may serve me well to simply start writing out all such “long” posts separately in Word first and then just copy and paste them into the forum “reply” form. Voilà! Instant “back-up” plus spell-check, too.

As Kevin noted, N42MY has previous service history in Indonesia. In fact, it was one of the first four model “G-111” conversions carried out by Grumman under FAR Part 25 and TC no. A22SO in the late 1970’s and early 1980’s. In the case of this aircraft in particular, that conversion was accomplished in 1981 at Grumman’s Stuart, FL facility under Production Certificate no. 23. (After December 1981, the remaining nine “G-111” conversions were done at Grumman’s St. Augustine, FL facility under PC no. 1050.)

Note also, prior to the approval by the FAA of the model “G-111” under TC A22SO, that very same designation (G-111) was used in-house at Grumman to identify all of the long-wing Albatross conversions done for the USAF only as SA-16B and later (post-1962) as HU-16B aircraft - even though and in spite of the fact that much much later (in the 1980’s) still other long-wing Albatross variants that had been used by other branches of the military and designated as something other than “HU-16B” would also be used for the basis of subsequent civilian “G-111” conversions under this TC.

The very first three Grumman civilian model “G-111” conversions were built for Resorts International for use by Chalk’s Airlines in south Florida, but the first customer / owner / operator of G-111 s/n “148329” (aka Grumman OEM s/n G-464*) was Pelita Air Service in Indonesia. PAS operated this G-111 Albatross, registered as PK-PAM, on behalf of and under contract to Conoco Oil Co. in support of their oil drilling operations throughout Indonesia, but the aircraft itself was based in Singapore.

As PK-PAM in Singapore in 1986
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*Albatross OEM s/n G-464 was actually the very last Albatross ever built as completely “new” by Grumman. Each of the last 21 such aircraft in fact were built from scratch as long-wing variants and were never ever equipped with the “short” wing of the original design no. G-64 aircraft (i.e. USAF models SA-16A, USN models UF-1, and USCG models UF-1G - the first two of which were re-designated as HU-16A and HU-16C aircraft after 1962, but since the Coast Guard got rid of or converted all of their short-wing UF-1G aircraft prior to 1962, there was never a “newer” designation for their UF-1G aircraft.)

Those last 21 Albatrosses, built from scratch as long-wing aircraft were actually built in three separate batches as follows:

Five (5) design no. G-191, model UF-2 aircraft for West Germany
Procured under a US Navy contract as Bu. nos. 146426 through 146430
(Grumman OEM serial nos. G-444 through G-448)

Ten (10) design no. G-231, model CSR-110 aircraft for the RCAF in Canada
Procured directly from Grumman as RCAF serials 9301 through 9310
(Grumman OEM serial nos. G-449 through G-458)

Six (6) design no. G-262, model UF-2 aircraft for the JMSDF in Japan
Procured under a US Navy contract as Bu. nos. 148324 through 148329,
in actual JMSDF service, they were coded as 9051 through 9056
(Grumman OEM serial nos. G-459 through G-464)

That very last Albatross (s/n G-464 aka Bu. no. 148329) is noted as having been completed and delivered to its customer on May 5, 1961

Note as well that none of these last "US Navy" procured / contracted aircraft ever actually served with the US Navy.

Besides being built from scratch as long-wing Albatrosses from the “get-go” the RCAF also requested that their CSR-110 aircraft be equipped with a QEC* identical to the ones already used in their inventory of Grumman S2F series “Tracker” aircraft. (*An aircraft “QEC” is a quick-change engine module that incorporates 100% of the “firewall forward” installation, including mount, engine, cooling baffles, prop, cowling assembly, and all other accessories normally installed with them.) As a result, that meant that instead of the 1,425 hp Wright R-1820-76(A-D) series radial engines used on previous Albatross aircraft, the last 16 Albatrosses built by Grumman (including the ten RCAF CSR-110 and the six JMSDF UF-2 aircraft) were equipped with 1,525 hp Wright R-1820-82 series radials.

These 16 aircraft could be distinguished visually by the slightly “bulged” appearance of their larger diameter engine cowlings, which had to be tapered down to mate to the existing Albatross engine nacelles. They also were once distinguishable by their “unique” top-mounted carburetor air intakes (all of the R-1820-76 series powered Albatrosses were originally equipped with inside-the-cowling / in-between-the-cylinders air intakes, but many private/civilian owners have started to retrofit them with top-mounted carb air intakes similar to the ones originally used on the -82 powered Albatrosses.

Of further note however is the fact that as part of their civilian “G-111” conversion (and this is actually probably true for all large radial-engine powered, ex-military aircraft as well) the “high blower” settings on their integral engine superchargers had to be disabled because of the lack of availability of the old “purple” 115/145 octane aviation gasoline – with only 100LL “blue” avgas, there is a chance of detonation and the -82 engines were limited to only 1,475 hp as a result.

As JMSDF no. 9056 in 1976
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As already mentioned earlier, Albatross G-464 came back to the US for conversion as a civilian model “G-111” by Grumman at its Stuart, FL facility in 1981 during which time, it was temporarily registered in the US as N88999. Then it went back across the Pacific to Singapore as PK-PAM and was operated throughout Indonesia until the early 1990’s when it was sold to Paragon Ranch Inc. - a venture capital firm based in Englewood, Colorado.

As N26PR in Abbotsford, BC in 1993
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In the mid to late 1990’s, it was sold to and used as a VIP transport by/for Mirabella Yachts of Palm Beach, FL – a sailing charter company owned by Joe Vittoria, who made a fortune as the chairman and CEO of the Avis car rental company.

As N42MY in FL, USA in 2003
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As N42MY “down under” in Australia in 2012
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T-t-t-t-th-that’s all, folks! (for now)
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby Rajay » Thu Mar 28, 2013 2:12 pm

Apparently not for all that long!

One other "update" that I wanted to mention:

It seems that the US registration for N42MY was cancelled just last week (on March 20, 2013) but I haven't been able to find a new registration for it* on the Australian CASA Web site.

(*i.e. "Grumman G-111 s/n 148329" was how it was officially identified here, but as I may have mentioned about 700 times in various forums, etc. as far as I am concerned, it is more properly identified using its OEM Grumman serial number "G-464")

It will be interesting to see what it becomes next...
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby fishnpilot » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:29 am

Hi I'm new to this site I found this series of post doing a google search for g111 stuff
I rebuilt N98TP in Minneapolis, MN over a period of 7 years I ran the flight dept for the guy that owns it I also rebuilt and flew his Howard 500 he bought from the software company I flew it for before he got it and I flew and maintained it for a logging company in Portland, OR before that. But back to the albatross, I rebuilt that HU16B, long winger and did all the mods to it myself it was a huge undertaking and what you could truly call a ground up restoration. I figured we had in excess of 35,000 man hrs in it. We made our own bubble up front that is clear and designed those engines which are very similar to the G111 type of wright 1820-82's the standard was a -76d of lessor Hp and much harder to service the way they were installed in the hu16. The Australia plane 42my is a true G111 and ray jay is correct and has definitely done his homework on the type. That fellow in Perth Aus, was going to use it to give tours of some cool fiords about :45 min flight out of Perth where they run jet sleds up and into the canyons basically as the tides rip in and out but casa (australia faa) became too much of a problem much like our FAA has here for me operating an albatross daily around the US.
So he is currently selling the plane so it may very well return to the USA. Idk
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby KlausNW » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:39 am

Welcome and THANK YOU very much for posting and filling in some of the blanks.

Don't be shy, we have a lot of questions for someone of your experience.

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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby fishnpilot » Wed Jan 08, 2014 2:59 am

Another thing when you're looking at a pic of an hu16 vs a g111 look at the top of the engine and if you see an intake scoop on it there's a 99% chance it's a G111, the reg hu16 had a different intake system and exhaust for that matter but I designed and modified intake inlets and modified exhaust for N98TP and N44HQ so these will look very much like the G111 tho they are not, but both have engines identical to a G111 for the most part only because I modded them that way. I make those parts in my shop myself so they are not taken off another aircraft some guys have used Grumman S2 tracker inlets but I don't like them as they are too thick (inlet too small) and they choke off about 40% of the air induction mine get much better ram air at altitude and are carbon or high temp glass.
The paint on the 42my is a direct copy of 98tp and was done in salt lake, the plane was brought out of Colorado painted there then flown to florida placed on a ship out of Florida using my lifting harness and helpers. I also loaned out my copilot to help fly it around Australia. Anyway I think the paint thing is a riot, cause it so pissed off the guy in MN so bad that he sent the guy in Aus a letter and threatened to sue him for copyright now that's funny ! My old boss in Mn is probably still trying to figure out how to get the paint off that plane ! I wonder if he has sued Mercedes for painting other 550SL's white !
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Re: Grumman G-111 Albatross

Unread postby RKittine » Wed Jan 08, 2014 9:03 am

Welcome, Glad that Jason was able to get you on the site. Looks like you will be a very welcome addition.

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